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| [Tue Sep 24 19:03:42 CDT 2002] Joe Ganci: The Italian Stallion <Nick C> Hey Joe :D <Joe Ganci> hey, you too! cut it out! <Amy Blankenship> Hiya, my favorite Joe <Nick C> Cool - modesty was never your strong pnt :p <Nick C> What have we done now? <Joe Ganci> I wasn't being modest, just jealous <Amy Blankenship> cut what out? <Joe Ganci> yeah, yeah, don't act all innocent <Nick C> o:-) <Nick C> We don't know what you mean <Joe Ganci> I must protest the timing of this authorware chat, my dear <Joe Ganci> how can you? <Joe Ganci> how dare you? <Joe Ganci> I mean, really <Joe Ganci> i've been waiting for months <Nick C> I just did - it was easy <Nick C> ;-) <Joe Ganci> and at exactly eight o'clock tonight, the season premiere of buffy the vampire slayer comes on <Joe Ganci> and this is the time you choose??? <Amy Blankenship> wow <Nick C> What's wrong with the timing that our illustrious hostess selected? <Amy Blankenship> what a sacrifice <Joe Ganci> you joke, but you have no idea! <Nick C> LOL - you have a video Joe <Amy Blankenship> I have stuff in my life...People complain I don't have them often enough <Nick C> Yeah - that Buffy is er - Buff ;-) <Joe Ganci> yeah, of course i'm recording it, but that means my buffy is going to be delayed that much longer <Nick C> You don't have me enough for a start :( <Joe Ganci> stuff? <Joe Ganci> well, you've recorded Steve, haven't you? <Nick C> Hey Joe a little suspense can be healthy for a relationship ;-) <Joe Ganci> ok, ok, I won't fidget too much ;-) <Joe Ganci> but next time, Amy, please check the all-important TV schedule, ok? :-) <Amy Blankenship> Anyone else totally excited by the swift response we've been getting from Bob Tartar? <Amy Blankenship> I forget <Nick C> YES YES YES <Amy Blankenship> my TV is not plugged in <Joe Ganci> he's a saucy guy, isn't he (get it, tartar sauce...) <Nick C> But let's see if he can, er, keep it up <Joe Ganci> so buy a freaking TV guide! LOL <Joe Ganci> or check tvguide.com <Joe Ganci> I mean, really, what's more important than TV? <Amy Blankenship> My friendship with Joe <Joe Ganci> don't answer that <Nick C> So she has to check TV in Australia, Canada, UK, Israel, and VA? :O <Amy Blankenship> so I guess I must check the schedule ;-) <Amy Blankenship> And Singapore <Joe Ganci> nope, just here...I told you, Steve, I only care about my time zone LOL <Nick C> :-( <Nick C> You are so ... er .. thingy <Joe Ganci> that's why it's important you both move to my time zone! [Tue Sep 24 19:08:56 CDT 2002] Frank Hanfland has no profile. <Nick C> Hey Frank <Amy Blankenship> Hiya Frank <Joe Ganci> guten tag, frank! <Frank Hanfland> HI all <Joe Ganci> vie geht's? <Joe Ganci> ich lerne Deutsche! <Frank Hanfland> ganz gut, und selbst? <Nick C> zehr gut bite ;-) <Frank Hanfland> ich she's <Joe Ganci> sehr guht, danke! <Amy Blankenship> I can't spell in German <Joe Ganci> me either <Joe Ganci> but I'm trying :-) <Nick C> I can spell "in German" see? <Frank Hanfland> very easy Amy, just replace every s with a z <Joe Ganci> tomorrow night I start with my new tutor <Nick C> LOL <Frank Hanfland> he the one got new shoes? <Joe Ganci> I said to Silke at the conference that's easy to make German words. just change the y at the end of a word to ich <Joe Ganci> slimy = slimich <Joe Ganci> she said that was right, there is such a word [Tue Sep 24 19:10:43 CDT 2002] Apurva has no profile. <Joe Ganci> oh, well <Joe Ganci> good morning, Apurva! <Nick C> Hey Apurva <Apurva> hI everybody <Frank Hanfland> yup <Amy Blankenship> Our favorite as kids was scooten sie over so I can get in the car <Apurva> hI Nick <Amy Blankenship> Hi, Apu <Apurva> HI Amy <Frank Hanfland> ouch <Apurva> HI Joe <Apurva> HI Frank <Nick C> I guess I should log out and back in - stop masquerading as some other guy ;-) <Frank Hanfland> let me get out and back with a profile [Tue Sep 24 19:11:44 CDT 2002] Frank Hanfland: Frank [Tue Sep 24 19:12:03 CDT 2002] Frank Hanfland: ze Frank <Amy Blankenship> Frankly my dear... <Frank Hanfland> back in <Amy Blankenship> er, wrong movie <Frank Hanfland> lol [Tue Sep 24 19:12:39 CDT 2002] Dave Buell has no profile. [Tue Sep 24 19:12:43 CDT 2002] Steve Howard: very very lumpy <Amy Blankenship> HI Dave <Amy Blankenship> welcome, lumpy <Dave Buell> Hello <Joe Ganci> evening Dave <Dave Buell> Good Evening <Steve Howard> :D Thanks - glad to be here ;-) <Steve Howard> Hey Dave <Frank Hanfland> I'm frustrated, been searching for gfx for my cbt the whole **&^ day, didn't find much. They laid the marketing staff off, who had all gfx.... <Dave Buell> Howdy Ho! <Steve Howard> Any relation the Harly modders? <Frank Hanfland> hI Steve <Dave Buell> Unfortunately not <Steve Howard> HI Again Frank <Steve Howard> Oh well, it would be nice to meet someone who can make those bikes look useful ;-) <Amy Blankenship> That's when your little copy of Fireworks MX comes in <Joe Ganci> getting back to what we were saying earlier... <Steve Howard> Did they hide them before they ran off with all the backup CDs Frank? <Frank Hanfland> got my gall of wine (ready to spill in the kb) and my smokes..... <Joe Ganci> yes, I very much like Mr. Tartar! <Frank Hanfland> that was supposed to be glass <Steve Howard> Have you met him Joe? <Amy Blankenship> So, for the benefit of any who missed me raving, I am thrilled to bits that we finally have someone advocating for AW who can make real changes in how things are done <Joe Ganci> no, I don't think so <Steve Howard> I hope he can keep it up <Frank Hanfland> no backup CDs, just some lousy powerpoints with embedded gfx. The poor sod who dun it thought he did good, and he did, fo not having a clue <Steve Howard> Maybe I should invite him to EuroTAAC? [Tue Sep 24 19:15:48 CDT 2002] Mark Henry: Chief Cook & Bottle Washer; Rampant Lion Interactive; www.RLINTERACTIVE.com <Amy Blankenship> That would be cool <Amy Blankenship> anyone go visit his Blog? <Joe Ganci> evening, mark <Mark Henry> Hey, where'd all you guys come from? <Steve Howard> Hey Mark <Dave Buell> Hello Mark <Steve Howard> No - I have a pathological disinterest in Blogs [Tue Sep 24 19:16:22 CDT 2002] Jamil Zainasheff: Director of Engineering, Macromedia <Frank Hanfland> curently relocated to a nice hotel room in Columbia, SC <Apurva> HI Mark <Apurva> HI Jamil <Amy Blankenship> Heaven...You missed the Flash conference, oh, so narrowly <Steve Howard> Mark with all those kidz you should know the answer to that question already ;-) <Mark Henry> Hello! <Steve Howard> He Jamil <Dave Buell> Howdy Jamil [Tue Sep 24 19:16:47 CDT 2002] Christine Flack: The odds are good, but the goods are odd. <Mark Henry> DOH! <Frank Hanfland> the F word, arghhh <Amy Blankenship> You used to get mad when I omitted my blog from TOW <Joe Ganci> wow, it's Jamil! Welcome, Jamil <Amy Blankenship> Hi, Jamil <Amy Blankenship> welcome <Jamil Zainasheff> Hey <Frank Hanfland> welcome, grab a beer <Joe Ganci> we were just talking about how much we like that mr. tartar has joined the team <Steve Howard> Yours is sent to me Amy - I have no interest in seeking out the 3000 Team MM Dreamweaver Blogs in the vain hope they might say something that interests me ;-) <Amy Blankenship> I figured you might be on vacation, taking it easy <Amy Blankenship> Steve: I don't think TMM can do blogs <Amy Blankenship> if we can, I don't know about it <Frank Hanfland> so as of today we're actually "tooling" instead of just "toiling"? <Steve Howard> Yes - we are 'encouraged' to <Steve Howard> I'll dig out the mail <Amy Blankenship> Cool, thanks <Joe Ganci> so we're talking the future of Authorware? <Joe Ganci> a continuation of the poolside, perhaps? <Amy Blankenship> Mainly I wanted to concentrate on interface <Frank Hanfland> no again. A of TACC7, there's no more doubt in my mind. <Apurva> how about missing features first? <Amy Blankenship> I think when we don't narrow it down, we can't spend our money as effectively <Amy Blankenship> ;-) <Frank Hanfland> interface! <Amy Blankenship> Jamil will give us another $10 next chat LOL <Frank Hanfland> for the interface alone? uh ahhhhh <Steve Howard> :D He is so generous [Tue Sep 24 19:20:32 CDT 2002] Christine Flack has no profile. <Steve Howard> Frank what doubt was removed at TAAC 7? The Future of AW? <Amy Blankenship> I would like to see a tabbed interface, like Homesite <Steve Howard> How would that work for us? Tabbed window with calcs? <Amy Blankenship> brb [Tue Sep 24 19:21:17 CDT 2002] Mark H: Here I go again.... <Frank Hanfland> Yes, after the pool conference features) THAT WAS THE NOST AWESOME I'VE EVR EXPERIENCED I <Mark H> This is weird. <Joe Ganci> apurva, which missing features would you say are the most important <Steve Howard> :D Yes - is good to hear all the ideas flow <Mark H> There's a whole group in a duplicate chatroom without you guys in it... <Apurva> yep, put Variables, Functions and KO dialog boxes in a tabbed dialog box saves space and easy to navigate and see when many windows are open <Apurva> email with attachments <Steve Howard> yeah? <Apurva> is the one that has been missing since the email stuff was introduced <Amy Blankenship> sorry bout that <Amy Blankenship> I already use minimize a lot <Steve Howard> Yes - good ideas Apu <Joe Ganci> mark, where and how? <Amy Blankenship> what a tabbed interface would do is make it so you don't actually have to minimize the window to be able to tab back and forth <Amy Blankenship> I think Bravenet is being flaky <Mark H> Joe - Chris was in there. It's either a NS6 or a Java 2 thing <Amy Blankenship> I have no idea how to join them, or get them to join us <Steve Howard> I stopped minimizing years ago coz I found it a pain trying to relocate the window I wanted to use <Jamil Zainasheff> Amy, do you use the current ability to tab through the windows? <Amy Blankenship> I do some <Frank Hanfland> exactly, dockable windows, user profile in a file, customizable toolbar, multi-monitor support <Jamil Zainasheff> Why do you need to minimize to tab? <Amy Blankenship> but since the order always starts over at the same point, it means often you have to tab through every single window to get to the one you want <Amy Blankenship> No, when you minimize they are all lined up neatly at the bottom <Amy Blankenship> they don't line up neatly at the bottom unless you minimize them <Frank Hanfland> so you can take your aw file to your laptop, have a profile there for screen maximization, and on your desktop, you can ave everything expanded <Joe Ganci> I agree with Steve, I don't minimize <Apurva> Jamil, I think you could put Variables, Functions and KO's in the toolbox as icons. So when clicked they open up as dialog boxes easy to get them there [Tue Sep 24 19:25:08 CDT 2002] Ron McNutt: knowledgeware@kccsoft.com <Amy Blankenship> It would also be nice if the functions and variables windows docked and you could double click them to get rid of most of the window <Frank Hanfland> neither do I, got all the room I want, just can't use it <Amy Blankenship> Hi, Ron <Apurva> People can then easily find them there as they are also quite frequently used <Ron McNutt> Hello, Canada online....listening <Steve Howard> Hey Canada :D <Frank Hanfland> one of my biggest pet peeves are the text properties, they should be in a property window <Joe Ganci> one thing about the f & v windows is that they look so much alike I often find myself in the wrong window, scrolling...then oops <Jamil Zainasheff> What do you mean Frank? <Steve Howard> Yes Joe <Dave Buell> I agree about the text...I thought for sure the new version would address this issue. <Jamil Zainasheff> About all the space but can't use it? <Steve Howard> if they are tabbed, the confusion reduces - they could be subtly color coded or something ;-) <Amy Blankenship> That's true...it is a pain to have to return to the menu to set text properties <Frank Hanfland> well right now you have to go through 3 menus to set font, size and other text properties, would be nice all in one window (dockable) <Joe Ganci> that's very true, frank <Joe Ganci> unless you set styles <Mark H> Yes - we need a floating Text Properties window <Dave Buell> Not only nice, but expected. Very difficult to navigate <Steve Howard> I know of at least one Property Inspector in the boiling pot that would address this <Amy Blankenship> Even so, you don't always want to set up a style for 2 words here, 4 there <Frank Hanfland> I hate to rant o this fact, but has anyone looked on how Corel PhotoPaint has done their interface? Doesn't get any better in my book. <Amy Blankenship> I like Homesite better <Amy Blankenship> I deliberately picked it <Steve Howard> Corel what? :-) <Mark H> I prefer Notepad <Jamil Zainasheff> Which of the Macromedia products do you think has the best interface? <Apurva> I think Dreamweaver <Mark H> Fontographer <Mark H> No, realy <Frank Hanfland> ....:-(((( You can even switch that interface to behave like Photoshop with about 4 clicks <Amy Blankenship> I like the homesite style of DW <Steve Howard> leaving aside the timeline bit, I think the MX stuff is growing on me. <Dave Buell> I like Dreamweaver because you can easily resize the windows with a click <Steve Howard> Second would be Director without the timeline and cast members :p <Steve Howard> I like the Director property inspector <Joe Ganci> I like the timeline and cast members <Frank Hanfland> So far, F%$#, I think, but pesonally, I liked the Flash 5 better than MX <Amy Blankenship> It's also really nice in DW that you can look at your code and your "presentation" simultaneously <Amy Blankenship> I don't like Flash MX yet <Steve Howard> I just never have had the time to learn to love Director [Tue Sep 24 19:30:25 CDT 2002] Chris Swenson has no profile. <Frank Hanfland> neither do I, for example the resize tool had value fields, they're gone now <Mark H> The timeline would be a good addition to Media icons that allow children <Steve Howard> Hey Chris <Chris Swenson> made it =+) <Amy Blankenship> That's a good point, Mark <Apurva> HI Chris <Amy Blankenship> Hi, Chris <Mark H> Hey Chris! See, I told you the party was over HERE. <Joe Ganci> good evening, Chris <Steve Howard> wasn't that timeline thing demo'ed at TAAC 6? <Dave Buell> Hello Chris <Steve Howard> or TAAC 5? <Frank Hanfland> now you're opening a box of worms, a timeline, attachable to icons, like you can use them in DW <Chris Swenson> hey everybody <Frank Hanfland> hI Chris <Apurva> DW interface is good <Mark H> TAAC5 - it was a concept demo done my Dr. Allen <Jamil Zainasheff> Only smoke and mirrors. Don't trust anyone's demos... <Joe Ganci> really? 5? I thought that was last year <Amy Blankenship> I love in homesite that you have your main window tabs and then two other little tabbed sections that you can get rid of that you want <Mark H> Nope. Nashville <Joe Ganci> yes, easy enough to prototype, hard to implement, I tried it <Steve Howard> No I was just checking I understood - I knew it was meant to be a mock-up <Joe Ganci> wow, the years fly by <Frank Hanfland> To get back to the basics, I just think that it would be much easier to learn and use AW if the varous properties would be exposed in dockable (and undockable) windows, that includes all inspectors and the like <Steve Howard> Didn't Homesite just borow that from other interfaces? InstallShiled, DelphI .. some others have that similar sort of layout <Amy Blankenship> little timelines for time synchs, though, just make sense <Chris Swenson> yep as does visual studio .net <Chris Swenson> the tab thing <Mark H> The demo had its good points, but for timing I think a timeline based on the media position would work well (in a separate window) <Amy Blankenship> Have no idea <Amy Blankenship> I saw homesite before I saw them ;-) <Steve Howard> :p <Frank Hanfland> that would work well <Amy Blankenship> Maybe even another tab in the dialogue <Steve Howard> Anyone else here see the property inspector that was being developed? <Amy Blankenship> so that you can set it either way <Ron McNutt> Can I squeeze this in... I'm still on 5 <blush> so maybe this has been changed, but when using 'Find', after you modify something you've found, you need to start 'Find'ing at the beginning of the program. This is irritating. Would be nice to just carry on from your change. <Steve Howard> Fixed in 6 Ron <Apurva> There should be a property dialog box so when a user chooses an icon on the flowline the properties dialog should show the properties <Joe Ganci> yes, much better in 6...time to upgrade, my friend <Frank Hanfland> agree, but was never able to find every instance of what I was looking for anyway <Apurva> in a floating and dockable dialog box <Frank Hanfland> 6.5 <Chris Swenson> Apurva...I looked at that (as did others) it's possible to do in 6.5 with a non-modal command <Amy Blankenship> Hey, Jamil, did you guys fix that Find dump? <Apurva> I worked on something like that with Andrew <Mark H> Chris - have you worked out all the messaging and layering issues? <Chris Swenson> Yeah he was one of the other's looking at it. =+) <Amy Blankenship> I wonder how much could be done in the way of interface improvement by simply tacking on non modal commands with built in buttons <Frank Hanfland> yes, Chris, but it'd be nice if MM had t in their product <Chris Swenson> Mark...pretty easy to do with Delphi <Amy Blankenship> you could customize your own interface... <Steve Howard> Yeah that's the one I meant - it looks pretty good. Took me a while to be convinced by it - it would answer a lot of what has been discussed here [Tue Sep 24 19:36:13 CDT 2002] Apurva has no profile. <Ron McNutt> I'm ordering 6.5 ASAP. Re docking windows... Flash gives me panic attacks. I prefer the AW interface to stay clear of multiple open windows. <Chris Swenson> Amy there is no reason you couldn't add more buttons to AW with yet another command...it's just a window <Apurva> Chris, I worked with Andrew on something like properties dialog <Mark H> If the Property Insp is in the works could someone send me a copy? <Frank Hanfland> And that's the point Ron, make it customizable for the user, dock it undock it, your choice <Amy Blankenship> No one's talking about windows that let you hide your cod <Steve Howard> Speak to Andrew Poulos Mark <Amy Blankenship> I mean code <Apurva> he made the Command and I modified the alMessages.u32 so he could use it with his Property Inspector <Steve Howard> no - you meant cod - Tony taught you [Tue Sep 24 19:37:25 CDT 2002] Dan Clinger has no profile. <Ron McNutt> Yes but you lived on a submarine, right Frank? Remember you're not a 'normal' control unit. <Amy Blankenship> Chris, you are so brill, as usual <Mark H> I tried to hide my cod once... <Steve Howard> Hey Dan <Amy Blankenship> but why not have MM give us a hook to make it easy <Joe Ganci> with 6.5 nonmodal windows and more open props, we can build much cooler tools, right? so a lot of these things could actually be done <Dan Clinger> Hey everybody. <Chris Swenson> yeah but busy...it's all possible <Steve Howard> Only once? <Joe Ganci> I mean before the next release <Frank Hanfland> one more thing I like to see on features is a rotate property, import a gfx and rotate in the design window <Mark H> Danny boy! <Apurva> I think it is best implemented if MM incorporates it inside AW <Chris Swenson> hey dan <Mark H> I lov you Frank! <Joe Ganci> sure <Amy Blankenship> OK, what about the idea of Extensions, like in DW <Apurva> instead of us. Because there so many limitations <Amy Blankenship> HI Dan...welcome <Frank Hanfland> ????????????:-)))) <Steve Howard> you mean like Snippets, KOs, Commands? <Chris Swenson> Amy, in what way do you want extensions that we don't already have? <Mark H> I thought that's what Commands and KOs are for... <Amy Blankenship> I mean like commands that you can create an icon for that hooks right into the toolbar <Dan Clinger> They are good for that, but they need to be more natural. <Amy Blankenship> Dan...right <Dan Clinger> The Insert menu needs to go away. Things are too hidden there. <Joe Ganci> mark, frank, take it outside please :-) <Joe Ganci> I never use insert....I agree, too hidden <Joe Ganci> I forget it's there <Frank Hanfland> :-) <Mark H> There's an Insert menu? <Steve Howard> Insert is just for Flash Asset, ActiveX and QT Asset so far as I am concerned <Frank Hanfland> yup <Amy Blankenship> Maybe we just need to think of AW more like (I think it was Jennie) was saying <Dan Clinger> Ok, but why those? <Amy Blankenship> Develop a culture of extending the interface to make it what we want <Dan Clinger> Why shouldn't flash and QT and those others be as important as anything else? <Steve Howard> why Amy? <Amy Blankenship> Why aren't those icons in the tool box <Mark H> As important as, say, the Video icon? <Dan Clinger> It these features are worth adding, they should be made just as easy to use as a display icon. <Steve Howard> Not on the main Icontoolbar you mean Dan? <Chris Swenson> cause they are xtras and that's how xtras were designed to hook into aw <Amy Blankenship> Steve: because the time lines for synch icons, for one thing, could be done in a command... <Chris Swenson> it would be nice if they would hook into a pallete <Ron McNutt> Further to Franks suggestion, is there a desire for more powerful vectored graphic tools in AW, or are we leaving that to the Flash connection? <Steve Howard> like the models pallet or similar? <Mark H> Amy - tried that. It's very complex, especially on reentry [Tue Sep 24 19:42:01 CDT 2002] lurker has no profile. <Amy Blankenship> Chris: are KO's Xtras too? <Amy Blankenship> Hi, lurker <lurker> ;-) <Chris Swenson> no of course not...but there is no menu for those <Amy Blankenship> So why not put it on the tool bar? <Chris Swenson> Amy - what the ko's? <Joe Ganci> actually, I take it back, I do use the insert menu, I was thinking of the Inspectors menu <Dan Clinger> But why are they segregated out? Shouldn't a Message Box KO be just the same as a display icon? <Amy Blankenship> Frank: I think there is, but I'd like to leave that for a later chat <Mark H> The way DW offers a special tabbed section for Extensions on their Icon Palette <Amy Blankenship> Chris: yes <Chris Swenson> Dan- but where does it stop...that's what model palletes are for. <Steve Howard> Well if you plan to use the KOs you can put up the models pallet <Amy Blankenship> Dan: maybe not a SPECIFIC KO, but the empty KO icon should be a drag away <Mark H> The Model Palette is nice in theory. Until you get 20 Map icons on it <Mark H> Then it would be nice to have a name and description <Dan Clinger> But if you used a palette like DW where you can organize them- it wouldn't be so bad. <Mark H> But then again, there's always the KO window... <Chris Swenson> Mark, up your screen res or resize the pallete. =+) I've got well over 20 up at any given time <Steve Howard> Well I colour code - that helps Mark - but I have started using the KO windo more and more because of thaty <Amy Blankenship> So, maybe more info on the models palette <Dan Clinger> with graphics we could assign? <Amy Blankenship> I think it would be nice to be able to right click on an icon and have an option to see its description <Steve Howard> a widdle Models pallet is nice, but it shows too little information. The KO windo is too big, but shows all the information I could want <Mark H> Dan - that would help <Joe Ganci> almost make it like browser toolbar, where you can choose name, icon, or both <Chris Swenson> Dan- I would like to be able to assign a custom graphic to a KO icon <Amy Blankenship> heck, why not make it any icon? <Chris Swenson> readability <Dan Clinger> It might help keep things cleaner. I am a big fan of the new MX style palette. I can see all authorare icons working that way. <Amy Blankenship> why not have Displays show you tiny copies of what is in them, right there on the flow line? <Steve Howard> system resources? <Dan Clinger> We have a tab for the standard, then one for media, one for interaction... things like that. <Chris Swenson> if 15 different people use 15 differnt icons for a display icon it would take forever to "read" the flowline <Joe Ganci> that's how quest worked / works <Joe Ganci> a lot of overhead too, unless you took a snapshot each time you closed the display and made that the icon <Dan Clinger> Can I get a show of hands- does anybody object to the tabbed floating palette for icons like Dreamweaver has? <Mark H> Think of the Explorer window. You can turn on/off thumbnails. When on Explorer creates the thumbnails the first time the window is opened <Chris Swenson> Dan- I like the idea <Amy Blankenship> How do thumbnails work in Explorer? I would think it would work the same or similar <Steve Howard> if I need to know what is in the display, I right-click it or control click it... easy peasy <Joe Ganci> that's what I was saying earlier, amy <Amy Blankenship> But how much easier to just LOOK at it <Joe Ganci> and that's what titling icons is all about <Steve Howard> Explorer has to build a thumbnails database - it is very slow <Chris Swenson> Amy - not easier <Steve Howard> try looking at a folder full of 200 photographs <Amy Blankenship> and look at ALL of your displays in a row, without having to right click <Dan Clinger> not easier for YOU- but is there a segment of the population that likes using that feature of Windows? <Amy Blankenship> Chris, well then turn thumbnails off :-P <Chris Swenson> If it's optional and doesn't increase the size of the authoring files then Ok I won't argue <Steve Howard> Amy I usually know what is there - if I don't I can already find out real easy. I'd prefer my flowline to be responsive <Dan Clinger> I agree with Amy- we are talking about adding the options to do it in a way that is easy for an individual, not making a new standard. <Jamil Zainasheff> So would a 10 x 10 image of a 1024 x 768 screen really be useful? <Amy Blankenship> I wonder how hard it would be to do a mock-up of this functionality and put it in front of a group of users and see if it is easier or harder? <Chris Swenson> Jamil just pointed out the other problem <Amy Blankenship> Jamil: probably not...but how many Displays do we use that are full screen? <Amy Blankenship> Is a Thumbnail that useful of a 300dpI print graphic? <Joe Ganci> I find it fascinating that there are so many ways to improve a product that I already find so usable <Mark H> What if the thumbnails showed up in a sideline window ala PowerPoint? <Steve Howard> Great if you have the screen real estate <Joe Ganci> I mean, I love so many ideas and keep thinking, wow, is what I'm using so primitive? nope, and yet... <Chris Swenson> Mark now there's a possibility... have another window that was the preview that could always be up <Chris Swenson> and out of the way <Steve Howard> seems like the norm is 1024 x 768 which ain't enough for that <Joe Ganci> that <Joe Ganci> that's a good idea, mark! <Dan Clinger> Good idea Chris- another object inspector <Joe Ganci> I like that <Mark H> That "norm" is falling behind, especially for developers. Then again, I've got a client still developing at 640x480 on a P2 <Joe Ganci> kind of like in explorer when you can click on image files and see a small representation on the side <Chris Swenson> Actually couldn't we do that now with a non-modal command? We have enough information about a display icon to recreate it ...only smaller <Amy Blankenship> Chris: can you really do that...even with embedded content? <Joe Ganci> Chris, no matter how many objects? <Mark H> Is there enough info to recreate lineart? <Dan Clinger> We would need subicon addressing probably <Chris Swenson> I think there would be enough to do a thumbnail <Mark H> Text wouldn't be rendered with the correct properties... <Dan Clinger> Whatever is used for the right click Preview option- could we get hooks into that, only make it smaller? <Joe Ganci> yeah, that would work, if it's possible <Mark H> What if the Command dove the flowline, opened the icons and then did a screen grab and scaled it? <Joe Ganci> (as all things are) <Mark H> The thumbs would be saved in a sub-folder for storage a display. <Chris Swenson> is this really that big of a deal? What if we just added a keyboard shortcut for the preview that is there already? <Mark H> After the initial run the Command would only need to update changed icons. <Dan Clinger> How often do you update though? <Dan Clinger> It is starting to sound like a hack again. <Mark H> Every time you run the Command <Dan Clinger> So to get a preview, you have to run a command? Can you just leave it open and see it every time you click? <Amy Blankenship> Yes, I think it is a hack <Amy Blankenship> but...it emphasizes that WE can do what we want with the interface <Chris Swenson> Dan - you wouldn't have to just check to see what Icon is selected, check mod time and refresh as needed. <Dan Clinger> That is what I am on about- I want those types of features that we want to be more native. <Dan Clinger> WE can add it, but if it was internal it would react better and be more natural for the newer users. <Dan Clinger> Since we are still at a dreaming stage. <Chris Swenson> Dan does OBP feel like a hack? <Joe Ganci> perhaps if we built these tools ourselves, we would see what really grabbed hold of users imagination <Steve Howard> I think it does <Joe Ganci> that would help determine what needs to be put in next <Dan Clinger> It is much better than packaging was. <Steve Howard> I want more control of where the OBP settings are stored <Chris Swenson> It's a command ya know...feels pretty good to me <Steve Howard> I do NOT want them stored in the registry <Dan Clinger> I agree that there are lots of cool things we can do, and if MM isn't going to then by all means let's do it. But let's figure out what to ask them for. <Chris Swenson> Steve - you can always pull them out <Joe Ganci> I agree, no problems here with OBP. I love it <Steve Howard> I know I can pull them out <Chris Swenson> Dan- that's what I'm getting at. They have a very small team I'd like to see them focus on the stuff we can't do <Steve Howard> But I also know how impossible it is getting those settings to my less skilled clients <Joe Ganci> I would rather have the basic building blocks continue to improve, open properties, etc. so that we can build the tools <Dan Clinger> I agree- I like the extensibility factor, but at what point do those extensions just get rolled into the product? [Tue Sep 24 20:00:38 CDT 2002] Frank has no profile. <Joe Ganci> at whatever point possible. However, I would hate to lose out on all open properties or another necessary factor in favor of a waveform timeline for sound icons <Dan Clinger> If you look at all the products like Pshop, or even Authorware, eventually the plugins get put in and cleaned up as part of the product. <Amy Blankenship> BRB...my dog is staring soulfully at me <Frank> back, sorry was rudely disconnected from my hotel's isp <Amy Blankenship> Dan: Isn't that what Stefan is all about ;-) <Joe Ganci> wo bist du, frank? <Steve Howard> Amy is he walking with rhythm too? <Dan Clinger> We need another 10 of Stefan and Chris. <Steve Howard> At least <Frank> columbia, sc, hampton inn <Joe Ganci> don't be greedy <Joe Ganci> ah <Chris Swenson> I'd take one more of me..maybe he'd clean my apartment <Steve Howard> greedy would be "we want as many Stefans as Flash has engineers" <Ron McNutt> Someone in Europe was working on a 3D ActiveX... anyone know the status of that? <Steve Howard> LOL - Chris you know he wouldn't [Tue Sep 24 20:02:40 CDT 2002] Jennifer Zapp: Long time Authorware user. <Joe Ganci> c'mon, Steve, do you think all flash engineers are as good as Stefan? <Steve Howard> no - re read what I said <Chris Swenson> no he probably wouldn't...he just drink all the beer. =+) <Chris Swenson> Ron yep it's an Xtra <Joe Ganci> Chris, if there were one more of you, your apartment would be twice as dirty :-) <Steve Howard> HI Jennifer <Amy Blankenship> Hi, Jennifer <Chris Swenson> the Dutch guys are wrapping it up <Jennifer Zapp> HI you all. Missed not being at TAAC this year. <Amy Blankenship> Chris: do you have a date? I am anxious <Joe Ganci> we missed you too, Jenn <Chris Swenson> No idea <Steve Howard> Ron the 3D Xtra is due for release any second now. They demo'ed it at TAAC - they are selling it for (I think) $800 <Chris Swenson> yeah that sounds right...they are working on the hard part...the docs. <Frank> one of the things I typed before disconnecting: How about combining the icon toolbar with the model palette, so, let's say you have 3 different display icons you made, plus the original one, and when you mouse hovers over they icon in the toolbar, you get a flyout <Ron McNutt> thanks Steve... who is the party who developed it? <Joe Ganci> docs? Those are easy :-) <Dan Clinger> Frank- I couldn't agree more. <Amy Blankenship> Frank: That would be cool...Or even the little click and hold kind like in Fireworks <Steve Howard> Ron it's the Dutchies .. <Frank> yup, I think the customizable icon is a great start, but the model palette more flexible, so why not combine them <Amy Blankenship> Ron: that is ix software in the Netherlands <Frank> getting exited, grabbing another smoke here <Chris Swenson> Frank - what's the limit on the number of icons to place in there before it gets to be an issue? <Chris Swenson> not many I'd think <Ron McNutt> Oh the Dutchies...they get pummelled in the Austin Powers movies don't they? Suppertime... see you all later! <Steve Howard> LOL <Dan Clinger> Chris- How does Delphi handle it? <Amy Blankenship> What about just additional tabs like in DW...make up your own tabs, and make as many as will fit <Frank> around 10-12 <Joe Ganci> only the last one, ron <Frank> jamil, are you writing all this down? :-) <Chris Swenson> Dan - Tabs and the ability to shut off tabs on a per project basis....but no fly-outs <Amy Blankenship> Frank: I copy and paste every few minutes <Frank> I know, I was kidding... <Frank> Hey I just ordered a huge pizza, who wants to join? <Jennifer Zapp> I'm not sure if this is interface or not, but I'd sure love to have multiple undos and redos. <Amy Blankenship> Is it vegetarian? <Amy Blankenship> Good point, Jennifer <Frank> Nope, meat meat and meat, sorry <Steve Howard> Yes please - and more than 10 levels of undo in a calc <Amy Blankenship> Would be cool to have a pane that let you roll it back, like the MX products <Frank> Jennifer, that would be great <Dave Buell> Great suggestion Jen <Steve Howard> Where is that Amy? <Frank> Make it depending on you machines available memory <Amy Blankenship> There is a pane in FW, for one, that shares with the Frames and layers, I think <Amy Blankenship> you just move the little triangle up and down to roll it back several undos at once <Amy Blankenship> Frank: yes, I think all applications with multiple undos can only do it up to the available memory <Frank> I have my image editor set to 200 undos, works just fine, they have a list where yo can click on the step you want to go back to, or you click the button 'til the finger breaks <Steve Howard> Oh - but in Flash and DW? Don't think so. The FW one was there before MX methinks <Joe Ganci> that's a big one in my book too <Frank> you use swap space after memory [Tue Sep 24 20:11:12 CDT 2002] Apurva has no profile. <Joe Ganci> I've gotten spoiled by other products <Dan Clinger> DW has it. <Amy Blankenship> Hi, Apu <Apurva> Hi <Apurva> :) <Amy Blankenship> I tell you what has really spoiled me...that is drag and drop copy and paste <Frank> Yes, definitely spoiled here <Dan Clinger> Shift + F10 in DW brings it up. <Steve Howard> Cool - guess I should try to make time to read the manual like I keep saying <Amy Blankenship> where you hold down control or alt, and whatever is selected is copied rather than moved <Frank> RTFM??? <Steve Howard> 'fraid so Frank <lurker> thank y'all for letting me lurk - time for NYPD Blue! <Joe Ganci> guys, I need to run. Have a good night, all <Frank> I haven't touched it since 3.5 <Dan Clinger> night guys <Amy Blankenship> and it would be nice to have drag and drop editing in the ECM, too, though not as essential <Amy Blankenship> Bye Joe <Steve Howard> you mean TV is more important? Listen Joe is missing Buffy for this!!! <Frank> bye joe <Amy Blankenship> have a good run <Amy Blankenship> or enjoy buffy <Steve Howard> OK, Joe WAS missing Buffy !!! <Chris Swenson> Steve ATI card...TV and chat the same time =+) <Steve Howard> ;-) <Steve Howard> LOL <Joe Ganci> buffy is over, I missed buffy, I will watch buffy later. buffy is on my recorder. buffy will wait for me <Steve Howard> You are a geek, you know that don't you? <Amy Blankenship> I wonder if I used a different chat client if I could incorporate streaming TV ;-) <Steve Howard> LOL <Steve Howard> Build a chat server out of Flash MX and deliver it in AW <Frank> hey, O: Who know a good capture card that captures video and audio at VGA 0FPS simultaneously? <Frank> OT I meant <Joe Ganci> I had that going too, but I couldn't concentrate on buffy's heavenly...writing staff that writes such good stories <Joe Ganci> bye for now...got work to do <Frank> 3-FPS <Amy Blankenship> Have a good one <Steve Howard> LOL - See ya Joe <Frank> 30 -darn small keyboard <Chris Swenson> my ATI card does a great job of capturing...pretty low cost it was around $200 <Frank> that's high, does it capture audio as well? <Chris Swenson> yes <Amy Blankenship> OK...Authorware ;-) <Dan Clinger> While we are on the topic of interfaces.... <Chris Swenson> sorry <Dan Clinger> Did anybody see today's Dilbert? <Frank> ok <Amy Blankenship> Chris: Double Click Frank and take it outside LOL <Steve Howard> Nope <Dan Clinger> http://www.dilbert.com <Frank> nah, son't worry <Amy Blankenship> OK, are we all out of ideas? <Frank> do we have a summary on what we think is most essential in the :new: (dream) interface <Steve Howard> Nope <Amy Blankenship> AW's interface is perfect except for the 20 or 30 things we came up with tonight? <Steve Howard> :D <Amy Blankenship> We can have it tomorrow, I think <Jennifer Zapp> And since I'm doing this other task right now, I loved the feature in 6.0 to add display icons to an audio file, but since I always use the seconds, I'd really love not have to bounce back to sound forge constantly for the numbers to enter. <Frank> right <LOL> <Steve Howard> We also want to be able to launch the image editor of choice when double-clicking an imported image <Frank> yes we do! <Chris Swenson> Steve I like that idea <Frank> of choice id the keyword <Dan Clinger> Just bring us into the MX family. <Steve Howard> Jennifer are you setting the timing to Seconds, not Position? <Amy Blankenship> Jennifer: why not just use a Display icon that displays the mediaposition, then divide by 1000? <Frank> maybe for sound as well <Amy Blankenship> Use a perpetual keypress to bring it up <Amy Blankenship> OK, if we want to be part of the MX family, we really need to have better integration with the web page...but that is another chat <Chris Swenson> Or build a command that plays the sound and inserts display icons when you click a button <Steve Howard> I asked for the image thing ages ago. Stefan has an extension on authorware-extensions.com that will do that **provided your image is external** <Jennifer Zapp> Chris, that one I like. <Frank> looks like MM has done an awesome job to enhance AW features, but now it's time for a cosmetic makeover... <Steve Howard> Yes Frank <Dan Clinger> I think Andrew already made a sound KO to do timing like that. <Steve Howard> I think AW is due a rebuild and relaunch <Amy Blankenship> Steve: well, I think getting the image editor to edit it, then reimporting it without writing it out anywhere would be a tall order <Chris Swenson> Dan - your right I think...I've not played with it though <Frank> when I hear KO, I think long waiting times... <Steve Howard> Why? Dreamweaver, Flash and Director can already do this <Amy Blankenship> Frank: Depending on what you want, you can make a KO pretty quickly <Frank> Very tall <Jennifer Zapp> I get really scared when comments like Frank's. Authorware is so great because of many of the design research. I'd worry what might come up instead in a big overhaul <Amy Blankenship> It's just the fear factor you have to get around <Steve Howard> Director has had this facility since at least version6 <Frank> I mean launching the KO takes forever <Mark H> Some of that lag has been fixed in 6.5 <Frank> after it's written <Amy Blankenship> Ah...I think Delphi KO's are better with that <Frank> k <Chris Swenson> DelphI commands are almost instant...which I know isn't an answer (well it is for me) <Steve Howard> Dan - Interface poisoning :D LOL <Mark H> Delphi KOs are somewhat better, but still lag on machines with multiple mapped drives <Mark H> Dilbert.... <Chris Swenson> Mark - true <Mark H> HA! Now I get it. <Steve Howard> yes Mark <Dan Clinger> Perfectly fitting for today. <Steve Howard> very <Frank> depends on the network, now you're opening a can of angry worms <Mark H> Took me a minute. I was on a client call <Mark H> Mean, angry, frightened worms. <Amy Blankenship> with big worm teeth <Frank> get a gigabit adapter, that fixes it forever... <Amy Blankenship> and shoes <Steve Howard> Director has this option where you can allocate editors for any cast member content - graphics, video, sound ... we want that in AW <Frank> yes we do! <Dan Clinger> Yes please. <Steve Howard> Director has the ability to build the entire CAST and STAGE at RUNTIME - I'll bet some here want that too <Frank> all customizable from a user preference menu, where you van set up everything you need the way you want it to be <Steve Howard> Yes Frank :D <Dan Clinger> If we do that, can people stop asking for better tools in authorware? <Steve Howard> Of course not <Amy Blankenship> Do which, Dan? [Tue Sep 24 20:25:35 CDT 2002] Chris Swenson has no profile. <Steve Howard> we still want better native vector graphics <Steve Howard> we still want sub-icon addressing <Dan Clinger> If we had the option to edit from flash, do you need native tools? (probably yes) <Steve Howard> we still want a property inspector <Frank> or is that better things (before this morning aw wasn't a tool) than aw (LOL) <Steve Howard> Sure we do <Dan Clinger> Basics native, but extended stuff through external editors? <Mark H> Not "native" in the sense that AW is the editor.... <Steve Howard> We want global sound control - turn sound on/off. Turn volume up/down <Steve Howard> Correct Mark <Mark H> Now that would be a good fix. <Steve Howard> And we want at least 8 sound channels <Amy Blankenship> Oh, volume control <Amy Blankenship> I think we are bordering, though, on stepping outside of interface <Steve Howard> that way all these people who need to abuse users ears with music and narration can quit hassling us with questions why they cannot <Mark H> With a built-in eq, effects, etc... <Amy Blankenship> hey, let's just incorporate Sound Forge into AW ;-) <Steve Howard> :D <Frank> let's keep it legal :-) <Steve Howard> Well editing is one thing, delivery is another :p <Jamil Zainasheff> Effects? Gee, that would be nice, narration with reverb. :-) <Mark H> Hey, it came with the AW4 Interactive Studio... <Steve Howard> COOEEEEL Jamil :D <Mark H> Or chorus. <Amy Blankenship> One thing that would be nice is if AW file windows could hook into your favorites folder like MS products <Steve Howard> I want my narrator to sound like he is in a church <Jamil Zainasheff> I'd prefer to ssound like the voice of God. :-) <Mark H> I don't get that one. Could you explain? <Frank> pizza is here, gotta go, <Amy Blankenship> Ack! I hate that...I recently saw a demo CBT with reverb narration <Apurva> got to go. Time to go to work. <Apurva> bye all <Dan Clinger> Jamil - I thought you were the voice of God. <Chris Swenson> bye <Dan Clinger> Bye <Mark H> Ewww reverb? Good for a guitar, not for voice. <Steve Howard> You are lucky Amy - I just have to endure bad actors doing worse Scottish accents <Frank> HUH? <Mark H> L8R Dan <Frank> LOL <Steve Howard> See Ya Apurva <Amy Blankenship> Jamil: we all know that when you take off your glasses and step into the phone booth...you are god <Chris Swenson> Actually wasn't there a picture of Jamil in a cape? <Amy Blankenship> Later Apu <Chris Swenson> =+) <Jamil Zainasheff> Caught me, huh? <Amy Blankenship> ROFLMAO <Frank> n we saw I on the discovery channel <Steve Howard> What else do we want - Oh yes - a bugger Help button <Steve Howard> oops <Steve Howard> BIGGER <Frank> bye all, til next time <Dan Clinger> big oops there <Amy Blankenship> Have a good one Frank <Mark H> Hey Steve, if you need help with that... making it bigger wont do it. <Steve Howard> <blush> <Chris Swenson> I'd like to have context sensitive help <Dan Clinger> See ya Frank. <Steve Howard> LOL <Chris Swenson> highlight a function hit f1 and the help page comes up <Steve Howard> See ya Frank <Amy Blankenship> There already is from within most dialogues <Chris Swenson> I want it for functions <Amy Blankenship> I often tell people to step through the Help in OBP <Mark H> So, better Context Sensitive Help? <Amy Blankenship> It is great for jogging the memory <Dan Clinger> In the calc? <Chris Swenson> Dan - yes <Dan Clinger> That would be nice. Not to have to open the function box and scroll around- just get it right where you need it. <Amy Blankenship> It would be nice if you could turn autocomplete on so it would come up without you having to hit CtrlH <Chris Swenson> course that would mean we'd have to have a way to tie xtras and u32s to it..but that should be too tough <Steve Howard> I want the help to work like it did in 4 ... click a properties page, click help, then you get a page that shows that properties page - then click on that properties page in the Help and you are taken to the approipriate help info - contect sensativity in the help page <Amy Blankenship> Yes, it would be nice if it would pick up custom functions and variables <Mark H> So if you were in a Cal, just double click on a word to select it, then right-click and select either "Description" or "Find in Help"? <Chris Swenson> I'd also like to have a "tool tip" show up when I'm in the () of an argument in the calc showing me what the args are <Chris Swenson> Mark...yeah that would be nice <Dan Clinger> You been using Delphi too long. :) <Amy Blankenship> Chris: other tools spoil us so much <Chris Swenson> Dan - every day more and more <Amy Blankenship> Dan: Homesite has that as well...and VBA in M$ products <Steve Howard> like Homesite, make it possible to set a timer on the tooltip <Mark H> VB does that too. It can also Auto Complete. <Dan Clinger> DW now does too- sort of. <Chris Swenson> VB is evil... I was trapped there for years...burn your copies. =+) <Mark H> Personally, I hate Auto Complete and like the way Stefan did the Ctrl+H thing <Steve Howard> Chris I never ran it :D <Amy Blankenship> Yes...If I haven't typed it in 10 sec, help me! Otherwise, DON'T <Amy Blankenship> ;-) <Mark H> Chris - same here. <Chris Swenson> yeah no need to have it do it without user interaction <Amy Blankenship> Chris: some of us like to consort with evil <Steve Howard> 10 seconds? You are getting patient :p <Amy Blankenship> But I did make him leave the sheep <Steve Howard> for the maid <Mark H> Hey - the hotel cleaning ladies had a riot with that sheep. <Chris Swenson> ohh don't get me wrong C# is great...vb is evil (not vb.net...but what's the point when there is c#) anyways back on topic <Mark H> Especially once they discovered that it was "anatomically correct"... <Dan Clinger> Ok- I don't have a preference, but obviously some people do- 10 seconds, or automatically put it up there- User Preferences. <Jamil Zainasheff> Gotta run, it has been... uh... interesting. :-) <Chris Swenson> it's been something all right. =+) Later <Amy Blankenship> Will send you a log, Jamil <Steve Howard> Only interesting? Didn't you learn anything yet? <Amy Blankenship> THANKS for showing up <Steve Howard> See Ya Jamil <Dan Clinger> See ya Jammy <Mark H> Notice that JZ leaves once we start talking about sheep.... <Steve Howard> Yeah double thanks!!!!!!!!!!! <Steve Howard> He misses Dolly too <Mark H> More than most, me thinks.... <Steve Howard> it was the squeak ... <sigh> <Amy Blankenship> About that interface... <Steve Howard> :D <Amy Blankenship> NOT the anatomically correct one <Steve Howard> hmmm what else do we want? <Mark H> So, it sounds like we've bodged together some sort of an AW/DW/Delphi/VB hybrid... <Chris Swenson> I'd also like the snippets available in a drop down like the functions/variables are in the calc (again like delphi) <Amy Blankenship> Why not...steal the best ideas from the tools we use <Steve Howard> LOL - with direct links to PS and SF <Amy Blankenship> good idea <Amy Blankenship> I tend to forget the snippets <Amy Blankenship> of course, I don't have 6.5 yet except the trial <Mark H> And outputs to mobile phone users <Amy Blankenship> That's not interface ;-) <Dan Clinger> I agree- if we can get people comfortable with a tool right out of the box- why not? <Mark H> Dan - good point. <Steve Howard> yeah. Might make them more usable. The idea is nice, and I might get to using them once I get into 6.5 but right now ... cludgy methinks <Mark H> I'm LOVING Snippets <Mark H> And ScriptFunctions <Mark H> Of course it is. <Steve Howard> Mark I tend not to write pages of code, so I NEED TO PLAY MORE WITH 6.5 TO SEE what SNIPPETS I NEED/WANT <Amy Blankenship> Wow...Mark musta really made you mad <Amy Blankenship> OK, I'm thinking the flow of ideas is slowing <Steve Howard> OOPS shouting, sorry <Dan Clinger> OT: Have you guys signed up for authorwarepros.com? <Mark H> Ouch. <Steve Howard> YES <Chris Swenson> yep but not uploaded a pic yet...I will <Mark H> It would have helped if 6.5 had actually COME with some <Steve Howard> I have some pics of you that you could use Chris <Dan Clinger> Your pic is up there Chris <Chris Swenson> oh god...BRB <Amy Blankenship> LOL <Amy Blankenship> Poor skeered Chris <Mark H> Yah that's me. Just burnin' bridges fast as I can build them. <Amy Blankenship> OK, I'm thinking the flow of ideas is slowing <Steve Howard> I would like to see open maps show their color <Mark H> I think it would help if we could assign icons in the OBP <Chris Swenson> Mark? <Chris Swenson> explain that one <Dan Clinger> So that your packaged piece had a custom icon? <Amy Blankenship> Or else it is one of these chat window burps, where stuff is being said that I don't see <Mark H> Assign an icon to the packaged piece through the OBP <Chris Swenson> ohh ok <Chris Swenson> yeah looked at that <Amy Blankenship> Nah we are still going Amy <Mark H> Rather than use Microangelo or some such hack <Chris Swenson> Walking the AW resource tree is tough <Mark H> Esp for a neewbie. <Chris Swenson> Stefan looked at it too <Amy Blankenship> I have returned <Mark H> Not through AW, but DelphI sure. <Mark H> She's back, everyone hide... <Dan Clinger> Well if the OBP is Delphi- then make it so. <Mark H> Hey, don't look at me. <Chris Swenson> yeah... it's tough to do with out screw'n up the file. <Chris Swenson> I tried it about a year ago...maybe I'm wiser now though <Chris Swenson> I some how doubt it though <Dan Clinger> :) <Steve Howard> Chris? Wise? Hmmmmmmmmm <Mark H> It really depends on how the resource tree is structured and the graphic encoded. <Steve Howard> "Do what I will think of doing when I know better" button? <Mark H> Hmn, wise think you are? Very, I say. Yes... <Amy Blankenship> OBP needs a button that just resets the GUID without resetting the settings <Amy Blankenship> AND, it needs to be able to have something like a FileLocation to the source piece <Dan Clinger> But it is something that people ask about, so if it is possible it would be a nice feature. <Mark H> You see that and autorun about once a week on the lists. <Chris Swenson> I agree...anybody want to fund it and I'll give it another go (there I said it...the real reason it's not done) <Amy Blankenship> OBP needs a button that just resets the GUID without resetting the settings [Wed Sep 25 02:32:14 GMT+01:00 2002] Jennifer has no profile. <Amy Blankenship> AND, it needs to be able to have something like a FileLocation to the source piece <Chris Swenson> Amy - explain the last part <Amy Blankenship> Yes - real FileLocation, not HARD CODE the current FileLocation <Chris Swenson> ohh ok <Dan Clinger> I'll give ya a dollar. <Amy Blankenship> :D <Mark H> I think I'm mising something. Whay is FileLocation important in OBP? <Amy Blankenship> moving from machine to machine - like when I send files to a client <Chris Swenson> Dan - you've got my address. =+) <Chris Swenson> is there a token for that <Mark H> Is it so that the OBP settings move with the file? <Chris Swenson> ? I don't recall <Amy Blankenship> Yes please Mark <Dan Clinger> COD <Mark H> Can't you Export a file's settings? Or does that export the FileLocation too? <Amy Blankenship> or at least even if you export them, they do not have hard coded paths they have FILELOCATION <Mark H> Ah, now I see what you're talking about. <Steve Howard> :O OK Mark - see Ya <Amy Blankenship> Have a good one <Mark H> Night-night. Amy, thanks for a great chat! See ya! <Dan Clinger> See ya Mark [Tue Sep 24 20:51:09 CDT 2002] Apurva has no profile. <Amy Blankenship> Thanks for coming <Apurva> hi all <Apurva> back again <Amy Blankenship> Hi, Apu <Apurva> back <Steve Howard> Hey there <Apurva> everybody's leaving? <Chris Swenson> I'd like it if OBP had the ability to launch a command prior to and after it ran.... I guess we can do this now, but it would nice to have built in <Apurva> anybody any ideas on how to access calc icons and run the code there? <Chris Swenson> callscriptstring <Dan Clinger> I asked about that a while back Chris- it would let us extend it like the packaged icon. <Amy Blankenship> What would be REALLY nice would be able to drop an icon on the flow line and set it to configure itself <Apurva> using AW API <Amy Blankenship> maybe like a KO light <Chris Swenson> Apurva...from a u32 or from a KO/Command? <Chris Swenson> Second question...for what reason? <Apurva> u32 <Apurva> for doing multithreading <Chris Swenson> CallScriptString will work from a u32...it's not "supported" I don't think but it seems to work <Amy Blankenship> Do you ever do anything where you might have icons that you want titled "My Icon 1", "My Icon 2", etc. <Amy Blankenship> You could set them up to do a mini dive of the page they are in, and auto configure themselves <Chris Swenson> Course AW code interpreter isn't multi threaded that I know of ...so that kinda kills it <Steve Howard> so you think you could multithread in a u32 and run AW code in it? <Steve Howard> Ah :D <Chris Swenson> Amy - yes <Amy Blankenship> I guess you could do it anyway, wrapping it in a KO icon that launches a hidden wizard, but what a PIA <Chris Swenson> and there is an easy way to do that <Apurva> not sure Steve <Apurva> I asked Jamil but no reply <Dan Clinger> Amy- I usually use the ChildNum stuff for those. Or am I missing the point? <Apurva> so maybe I was asking something stupid for which he had no answer <Steve Howard> autoconfigure themselves for what? <Amy Blankenship> Chris: how? <Amy Blankenship> Dan: the point is that when you drag that icon out of the model palette or the icon palette, it would just execute a bit of code that uses the ChildNum thinkI stuff <Amy Blankenship> without having to run through that bit of code <Chris Swenson> Apurva <Chris Swenson> not a stupid question...it was one of the first I asked when we got Script functions <Apurva> Chris could you tell me if multithreading could be done what would you first try to do with respects to AW? <Chris Swenson> Amy I'm confused...what do you want to "set" exactly? Just the title <Steve Howard> Glad it's not just Dan and I <Chris Swenson> Apurva. I have multithread u32s before but not with them running AW code <Chris Swenson> So I'm not sure <Dan Clinger> :) <Apurva> ok <Chris Swenson> the title is easy Amy...add a local variable to the icon <Chris Swenson> it will renumber it's self <Dan Clinger> If you want to have a set of icons that are numbered, put them in a map, then refer to their child number relative to the map. <Steve Howard> Ah - like a KO that autoruns when you put it on the flowline? <Amy Blankenship> Chris: the title, or the color, or a bit of code, or whatever <Amy Blankenship> the point is, when you drag in that icon, it just DOES something <Chris Swenson> so you'd want a way to run code on an "OnAddToFlow" event? Interesting...I'm not sure I'd use it but interesting <Amy Blankenship> without having to run through it, or launch a wizard <Amy Blankenship> Yes :-) <Steve Howard> so you attach some mini-dive and it runs when you drop the icon onto the flowline <Dan Clinger> Would it have an interface, or just a line of code? <Steve Howard> er - mini-dive ;-) <Chris Swenson> You can make a wizard with no form...in delphi <Apurva> hey guys, we have got a project on using Chinese text inside our AW piece <Apurva> anybody done a foreign language before in an AW piece <Steve Howard> Well, how about another property - like Description, but it is autorun on insertion code <Dan Clinger> I did the German and Japanese translation of the KOs for version 5. <Amy Blankenship> Dan: I would think that it would have no interface <Steve Howard> foreign language yes, but it was not text heavy [Tue Sep 24 21:01:57 CDT 2002] Apurva has no profile. <Amy Blankenship> Because if you want an interface, there is a KO <Apurva> I am not getting messages <Amy Blankenship> Chris: but then you have to wrap the whole thing in a KO <Steve Howard> So Amy would a new property, similar to description work? <Chris Swenson> Amy. A non-modal command could be written to detect a new icon and execute code. <Amy Blankenship> Steve: How would I know? It might <Steve Howard> well you know what you want :p <Amy Blankenship> Chris: it would have to always poll, though <Amy Blankenship> That would be a drain, I'd think <Amy Blankenship> Plus, what if you only want it on copies of Icon X <Chris Swenson> it could watch the map window for messages...it wouldn't have to poll <Dan Clinger> Chris- are there any events for stuff like that you could trap for? <Amy Blankenship> then you have to be always polling on other icons <Chris Swenson> You could attach a calc that had the code and use CallScriptString <Steve Howard> So it sounds like you have answered my question Amy - a new icon property would work for what you have in mind <Amy Blankenship> Yes, why not give reg'lar icons an empty property <Amy Blankenship> Like a KO icon has <Chris Swenson> Amy no polling would be required...the window would be sub-classed...you would watch for the messages that indicate that an icon was added to the flow...then check for code to run [Tue Sep 24 21:05:02 CDT 2002] Apurva has no profile. <Apurva> hI again <Steve Howard> HI Again again <Apurva> this chat froze my window :( <Amy Blankenship> Chris: YOU might <Steve Howard> Amy has been having problems too <Amy Blankenship> the rest of the world would know no better ;-) <Chris Swenson> it's not rocket science I promise. =+) <Apurva> I need some suggestions <Amy Blankenship> Apu: sorry...maybe you should wear mittens ;-) <Amy Blankenship> I need to peruse that CD right now ;-) <Steve Howard> What is your question Apu? <Apurva> we have been given a project where we need Chinese text <Apurva> how do I create an AW piece where I have to display text and input text in Chinese <Steve Howard> and your question is? <Apurva> I have never done a foreign language piece before <Steve Howard> Ah - well my suggestion is that you speak to Chris Forecast and Wenxin Shen - I think they have done a lot of Chinese stuff <Apurva> and now I have to do this project and would like your suggestions on using Premiere , Flash , Authorware and what all problems we could face and possibly some advice on how to solve them <Dan Clinger> I used a Japanese windows system, and copied and pasted into the Japanese version of Windows. <Steve Howard> Chinese Windows demands the use of a dongle for Authorware - you should be OK developing on Win2000 or XP and utilizing the language profile thingummy <Apurva> Dan, you mean a Japanese version of Windows? <Apurva> I don't think we have that available in Singapore. Got to find that out. I think my boss had asked Microsoft Singapore and they said use Windows 2000 |
