[Sat Oct 26 10:42:16 CDT 2002] Mark Henry: Rampant Lion Interactive, Inc www.RLINTERACTIVE.com
<Trish Smith> hi
<Amy Blankenship> Hey Steve, Mark
<Steve H> Yo
<Mark Henry> Bonjour
<Steve H> Hey Trish
<Trish Smith> hey!
<Steve H> You finally found us then?
<Trish Smith> It's the first time we haven't had a conflict :-)
<Steve H> :O
<Mark Henry> I didn't realize that I had "lost" you....
<Steve H> Really ... wow
<Amy Blankenship> Is this going to be another one of those newbie-less chats ;)?
<Amy Blankenship> no, she lost us
<Trish Smith> Perfect timing -- we are getting ready to do our first web-based web-tracked AW project
<Amy Blankenship> pay attention, Mark
<Trish Smith> I'm a newbie!
<Amy Blankenship> :-) dream on LOL
<Steve H> Hey folx I have been putting together a blog. When you get a moment want to check it out and make sure I have not missed any important links? www.stevehoward.blogspot.com
<Mark Henry> Sorry, it's early for me. I mean, what is it? Like 11:30 or something? sheesh!
[Sat Oct 26 10:44:48 CDT 2002] Graeme: graemeb@yahoo.com
<Steve H> 4:30 PM
<Steve H> Hey Graeme
<Steve H> if you think I missed links, mail me privately :D
<Amy Blankenship> hey Graeme, how's va?
<Amy Blankenship> Trish, are you going to be integrating into an LMS as well?
<Amy Blankenship> oops
<Amy Blankenship> LMS
<Trish Smith> Yes. We are going to integrate with Angel. Anyone worked with that before?
<Amy Blankenship> Never heard of it
<Steve H> Never heard of it in the context of eLearning
<Trish Smith> I don't think we need to be strict about SCORM compliance at this point.
<Trish Smith> It was developed at the University of Indiana and is free for academic institutions.
<Trish Smith> Our state Virtual University has chosen it as the LMS
<Steve H> I thought all the schools loved WebCT
[Sat Oct 26 10:49:44 CDT 2002] Trish Smith: coffee drinker/mm developer
<Trish Smith> oops
<Amy Blankenship> I'll probably be hosting a repeat of the LMS chat soon, but if this chat goes that way, I don't see any reason to keep it on strictly web deployment
<Steve H> Don't close or in any way molest that browser window :D
<Amy Blankenship> It's like running a web enabled AW piece
<Trish Smith> I just realized that :-)
<Amy Blankenship> If you navigate away from your aw piece, then you lose it
<Amy Blankenship> I guess I should post a "dire warning" on the entry page
<Trish Smith> Angel info: www.cypberlearninglabs.com
<Trish Smith> some of us don't multitask very elegantly
[Sat Oct 26 10:52:07 CDT 2002] Graeme has no profile.
<Trish Smith> I have a question: we are developing an "engine" to deliver case-based instruction
<Steve H> is that the right URL Trish? I get a dead link
<Graeme> Hi, had trouble getting on here earlier
<Trish Smith> ultimately instructors will be able to add additional cases through a wizard interface
<Trish Smith> It will have a database backend
<Amy Blankenship> When you say "cases" what is involved in that?
<Trish Smith> this is the stupid question: Are we looking at one AW file for the "engine" that deploys another AW file for the "case"?
<Trish Smith> the cases are patient narratives with mc questions and branching
[Sat Oct 26 10:55:04 CDT 2002] Steve Howard: Gagging for a cup of tea ....
<Amy Blankenship> I think you'd just want to have the "case" be the data set, and the AW file be the presentation
<Mark Henry> That all depends on how you want to build it
<Trish Smith> I'm open for ideas -- this is new area for us
<Trish Smith> we are very concerned about download times
<Steve Howard> Are you delivering to Modem?
<Trish Smith> angel info (no typos, I hope): www.cyberlearninglabs.com
<Amy Blankenship> you may also want to look at http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com/indexhtm?quandary
<Trish Smith> yep -- 56K dial up
<Amy Blankenship> You can probably use that straight off, or you can pick it clean for ideas
<Trish Smith> and some of them are in rural areas with very bad ISPs
<Trish Smith> thanks Amy!
<Amy Blankenship> Trish: just so you'll be aware...I live in a rural area, and due to the phone lines the fastest connection I can get is 28,800
<Amy Blankenship> I have a 56K modem
<Amy Blankenship> but it does me no good
<Steve Howard> I am web packaging/optimizing some stuff for someone right now. We have something that is delivering acceptably to a 19k connection
<Trish Smith> that's what we've experienced in the past with web courses
<Steve Howard> Amy that Halfbakedsoftware link not working
<Trish Smith> we've decided to distribute the video component on CD since high quality media is crucial
[Sat Oct 26 10:59:42 CDT 2002] Paul: Aware person
<Amy Blankenship> oops...try a dot between index and htm
<Steve Howard> it has full narration, but is not rocket science in Authorware terms
<Amy Blankenship> Hi, Paul Aware
<Paul> Hello
<Steve Howard> Much better :D
<Trish Smith> we MUST be 508 compliant -- should we use audio files or try to implement TTS via the web?
<Amy Blankenship> TTS is lighter, but audio files are more understandable
<Amy Blankenship> keep in mind, though, that most people who depend on accessibility are used to screen readers (TTS)
<Steve Howard> TTS way better for fast downloads, but it is problematic for delivery. Speak to Ron Lubenski
<Amy Blankenship> I don't find it problematic at all
<Steve Howard> You have a known delivery environment
<Amy Blankenship> I just include a TTS ActiveX control on the page, and one for the voices, and that automatically downloads what you need
<Steve Howard> you know they have that Learnout and whoever engine installed
<Trish Smith> in the past we've used audio files when we need the richness then used TTS for navigation/interface elements
<Amy Blankenship> Because I install it from the web page
<Trish Smith> is the TTS ActiveX cross-platform? will those using a Mac browser be able to use it?
<Steve Howard> Sure .. from what Ron was saying on the Aware List it is not always as simple
[Sat Oct 26 11:03:35 CDT 2002] Barbara Brown: In the dog house
<Steve Howard> I guess it depends on whether you are delivering to "the public" or not
<Amy Blankenship> No, I will have to say that my users are known to all be on Windows machines
<Amy Blankenship> Hi, Barbara
<Steve Howard> Were you swearing again Barbara?
<Steve Howard> Fighting at last night's party perhaps?
<Amy Blankenship> Steve, it is not polite to ask...
<Steve Howard> LOL ...
[Sat Oct 26 11:04:42 CDT 2002] Barbara Brown: In the dog house
<Steve Howard> Since when have I been polite?
<Barbara Brown> Hi all
<Amy Blankenship> I know why she is in the doghouse...she surfed while trying to chat
<Steve Howard> Barbara .. Since you mentioned it... Why?
<Barbara Brown> No it just crashed on me. I wasn't surfing.
<Steve Howard> LOL ... she is psychic :D
<Barbara Brown> I'm in the dog house because I'm supposed to be helping my husband build our new dog house
<Steve Howard> LOL#
<Amy Blankenship> You can hardly be in it, then
<Barbara Brown> I was a minute ago while I was painting it.

<Steve Howard> there is an irony in there somewhere
<Amy Blankenship> My dog says hi
<Barbara Brown> Just one of them?
<Amy Blankenship> the one standing next to me
<Barbara Brown> Woof back
<Amy Blankenship> :-)
<Amy Blankenship> I've always thought it would be interesting to try using JS to kick out text to the page behind AW
<Amy Blankenship> but I don't know what a screen reader would do about that
<Amy Blankenship> Plus, it would only work in IE
<Graeme> My company has been delivering multimedia training on CD for several years, but now we need to move to delivering over the web. We use video, audio, complex student interactions, graphics, CMI tracking... How can we make that move and maintain all these things?
<Amy Blankenship> Are you using external media?
[Sat Oct 26 11:10:34 CDT 2002] ARrt has no profile.
<Amy Blankenship> hey ARrt
<Steve Howard> Well in simplistic terms you could just web package and prey
[Sat Oct 26 11:10:46 CDT 2002] Art has no profile.
<Graeme> Yes, .mov and .avi files have been external
<Steve Howard> provided your network has the capacity, it can work
<Art> Hi all.
<Amy Blankenship> What kind of systems are your users on?
<Graeme> everything else within Authorware
<Steve Howard> but you would really want to optimize everything .. movies most of all
<Barbara Brown> I don't think the interaction, no matter how complex will cause a problem unless they are using heavy graphics and media.
<Graeme> Users on Win 2000, NTs, XPs
<Amy Blankenship> Barbara: I definitely agree
<Steve Howard> Hi Art!!
<Amy Blankenship> Do they have full admin rights?
<Art> What's the dilemma <-- Standard question for a late arrival.
<Amy Blankenship> we are helping Graeme decide how to convert his course to the web
<Steve Howard> Web delivery of AW content
<Barbara Brown> You're going to have to look at your program with a new eye towards all the issues for web delivery.
<Graeme> students may not have full admin rights, but instructors might. Instructors would also want to have access to database reports to organize student data
<Amy Blankenship> I think the main question is: download or link to the web?
<Graeme> Amy - Graeme is a "her"
<Amy Blankenship> Well, downloading will be problematic because of the way NT based OS's treat the web player folder
<Amy Blankenship> ooh...did not know
<Amy Blankenship> been thinking you were a guy all this time
<Graeme> everybody does
<Graeme> weird name for a girl, but blame my mother
<Steve Howard> I paint a nervous picture here .. it helps you think about the right things ... http://www.tomorrows-key.com./web-delivery/cdtoweb.htm
<Graeme> thanks Steve that may be helpful
<Steve Howard> Can we all call her and complain about the confusion she has caused? ;-)
<Amy Blankenship> Don't make me edit the log like that!
<Steve Howard> LOL
<Art> We did the conversion and didn't have much problem, other than that brief episode with explosives and a server, we did fine.
<Steve Howard> I guess the biggest issue was the explosives?
<Art> Yeah, we didn't have enough to finish the server, LOL!
<Art> About the biggest problem we had was spaces in the name of external media and Unix boxes.
<Graeme> Steve that URL you listed is not available right now
<Steve Howard> how much did you need?
<Amy Blankenship> you'll have problems on any box
<Amy Blankenship> the map file does not like them
<Steve Howard> I mistyped .. there is an extra dot after .com .. sorry
<Steve Howard> dot
[Sat Oct 26 11:17:41 CDT 2002] lurker has no profile.
<Amy Blankenship> hi lurker
<Graeme> Are there huge problems with CMI student data tracking through Access databases over the Web?
<lurker> ;-)
<Amy Blankenship> you'll need to have a web enabled LMS
<Art> We just ended up putting everything in libs, turns out that worked better all around.
<Steve Howard> Graeme ... depends on numbers .. you could enlist your ASPs. If you are on an LMS usually they have their own LMS
<Steve Howard> oops
<Steve Howard> Database
<Amy Blankenship> and you'll need to have the right code to get the LMS and the AW piece to recognize each other for use in the html page
<Graeme> ASP?
<Steve Howard> that should be ASP skills ....
<Art> Yeah, AW 6 and up generates that html automatically
<Amy Blankenship> Active Server Pages
<Steve Howard> Are you using an LMS?
<Graeme> haven't decided on an LMS and may not use one, not sure at this point
<Art> If you go the .asp and using your own db, you can use me as a resource, we do both LMS and .asp
<Graeme> AW6 generates the HTML, right, not ASP?
<Art> correct Graeme
<Steve Howard> because that would be a different problem to solve. You could use what you have with the help of some ASP to continue using your Access database.
<Steve Howard> A full-blown LMS usually sits on an enterprise database .. SQL server or Oracle for EG
<Graeme> So we would have to learn ASP and how it interacts with AW and Access?
<Amy Blankenship> Graeme...usually the LMS will have automatic ways to deal with the CMI functions. I did not even know it was possible to use them without an LMS
<Graeme> Are there good LMS systems to consider?
<Steve Howard> Graeme if you go that route, sure
<Amy Blankenship> Graeme: the mediashoppe has one for under $500
<Amy Blankenship> myCMI they call it
<lurker> anyone ever use mediashoppe's?
<Graeme> Are there ASP resources, examples, etc. to learn ASP with AW from?
<Trish Smith> speaking of Access, how robust is Access for content delivery (not tracking) in a web-delivered piece?
<Amy Blankenship> http://www.mediashoppe.com
<Trish Smith> we played with the myCMI demo for a project
<Steve Howard> plenty of people use it, so I guess that makes it robust
<Trish Smith> it looked like a good solution for a small project (that eventually lost it's funding)
<Steve Howard> provided you are sure you won't be exceeding its limitations ... if you expect lots of hits then Access may not be suitable
<Amy Blankenship> Trish: it depends on how many users you have hitting it. If you open, query, and close the connection it should be ok unless you are delivering to thousands at a time
<lurker> our company was thinking of making their own, but then saw mediashoppe's - guess we should look at it more closely
<Amy Blankenship> if you want to allow thousands to WRITE to it, I'd go to sql server or something like that
<lurker> Access doesn't do well reportedly with more than 10-20 connections
<Steve Howard> Theirs is about the cheapest solution you will find. After that is probably Carol Fallon's
<Graeme> Our class sizes are generally 12 to 20 students at a time.
<Trish Smith> a talented co-worker tried to make his own small LMS and felt it was a minor nightmare and decided to buy one
<lurker> plus if it's not compacted once in a while, it can corrupt, especially if you're doing erases/removes
<Amy Blankenship> lurker: but the connections all have to be OPEN
<lurker> apparently not so bad if just always being added too....
<Trish Smith> we may have up to 1000 users pulling content
<lurker> true Amy, true
<Amy Blankenship> 3if you hit, query, and close, the connection is gone in less than a second
<Steve Howard> Carol Fallon - Integrity eLearning ... www.ielearning.com
<Art> Amy, not if you are using .asp, but with an LMS true.
<Trish Smith> I was thinking that each mc response would hit, query, close the DB -- is that bad design?
<Amy Blankenship> Art: if you write your sql correctly, yes, it is that fast
<Graeme> Carol Fallon's would be WBT Manager? or is it Learning Space?
<Trish Smith> we want to serve a different record based on each user choice
<lurker> wbt
<Amy Blankenship> Trish: you'd probably want to have all the data for a question pulled at once
<Steve Howard> WBT Manager
<Art> That's true, you just have to make sure to close the session in the .asp, otherwise there's a default timeout
<Amy Blankenship> or all the data for a section, for that matter
<Steve Howard> LearningSpace is Lotus. Rather more pricy
<Graeme> ok
<Trish Smith> Amy: Yes, I thought we would pull all the data for each screen in one query
<Trish Smith> Is that bad design?
<lurker> I think that's a good idea Trish
<Amy Blankenship> Trish: it depends...If you want to minimize server load, you pull as much in a single query as you can
<Steve Howard> Unless it makes more sense somehow to get several pages at a time..
<Amy Blankenship> If you are trying to minimize memory usage, you pull as little as you can
<Steve Howard> single hit ... if you can get a module at a time the whole thing is bound to be more responsive
<Steve Howard> bound
<Trish Smith> Amy: the memory issue is confounding for me
<Amy Blankenship> Well, if you pull a whole module worth of data, you'd have to store it all somewhere, as a list or a string or something
<lurker> just load the server with lots of memory ;-)
<Amy Blankenship> so it will "live" in memory
<Amy Blankenship> No, on the client
<Trish Smith> I struggle with how to balance memory usage with getting enough info to keep performance acceptable
<Amy Blankenship> Client memory is not likely to be an issue
<Art> LOL, I am so lost, are talking about pulling content from the db now?
<Steve Howard> Trish usually you will be pulling text only straight from the database ... this is not going to be Mbs of data
<Amy Blankenship> unless you are delivering to machines with 32 MB/Ram
<Steve Howard> Art ... yes
<Trish Smith> Steve: right, we are pulling text, no media
<Steve Howard> So you can afford to get a full module at a time ... or a subsection depending on your system.
<Art> Steve, that's why I was lost, so we are not talking about pulling media. Whew<---English is a second language.
<lurker> server memory is a consideration too, eh? each ASP variable stores in memory...doesn't it?
<Graeme> A long time ago worked a bit with WBT Manager, so may look into that again
<Steve Howard> Not media ... just text and presumably pointers to media if the media is external
<Amy Blankenship> the support for WBT manager is excellent
<Graeme> Are there resources out there to learn how AW works with ASP over the Web.
<Steve Howard> I think you really just need to learn ASP
<lurker> macromedia forums and hope Mark Henry replies ;)
<Amy Blankenship> You can, in fact, store media in a database and serve it up, but you'd be linking the icons to a page that serves up the image
<Steve Howard> There is nothing super-specific to Authorware
<Art> Graeme, it's not so much AW and .asp, just asp. I like http://www.asp101.com
<Amy Blankenship> Graeme, they are thin, but getting better
<Art> Wrox also puts out a great book called Beginning .ASP.
<Graeme> thanks art
<Amy Blankenship> I like webmonkey.com. Their tutorial "your first database application (or something like that) was very helpful to me
<Art> Another great source Amy.
<Graeme> great, Amy
<Graeme> if we have 20 or less in class size, do you think that Access db, AW, and ASP will be able to handle it?
<Art> Graeme, I've done that with access, it should
<lurker> IMO, yes, if it's mostly just writing to the db and the server is capable
<Steve Howard> Yes
<Graeme> good, we'll look into that
<Art> I think access biggest problem is file-locking, and you don't hit that unless you have over 20 concurrent users pulling large records.
<Graeme> there is a possibility the client may want to go LMS, but we'll see in January when we get to that point
<lurker> I meant, just writing and reading - deleting I think can be a problem
<Amy Blankenship> Graeme, it should be able to handle *something*, but the CMI functions were really designed to work via HACP protocol with an LMS
<Steve Howard> You might find it hard to justify the cost of an LMS for 20 people ... how many classes are run?
<Amy Blankenship> and I have no idea how you'd write something that can enable that communication
<Graeme> thanks Amy, that is good to know
<lurker> Graeme, I think an LMS is really only important if the client catches the buzzword.
<Art> also, don't plan on using CMI with .asp unless you write the functions in JavaScript and your db is AICC compliant
<Graeme> several classes are run over the course of the year
<lurker> otherwise, just write to a database, Access on low end, SQL/etc on high end
<lurker> and do your own tracking
<Graeme> do your own tracking, lurker?
<Amy Blankenship> I don't think the CMI functions can use the JavaScript interface
<lurker> sure - all it does is write scores and such
<Graeme> ah, I see
<lurker> IMO!
<Steve Howard> Lurker ... yes, most people simply do not NEE|D an LMS, they just need to know .. Finished? Passed? Failed? Name?
<lurker> agreed
<Amy Blankenship> you may want to look at my April, week three Tip of the Week (Articles page)
<Graeme> we may want to consider, though if the client wants to add one classes data to the next classes data in the same database and so on...
<lurker> of course, if client will have lots of courses developed...
<lurker> yeah, exactly Graeme
<lurker> actually, more so if different clients develop modules
<Graeme> thanks Amy, I'll check it out
<lurker> they can all expect the tracking to work a specific way
<Graeme> right
<lurker> read: if different contractors ;)
<Steve Howard> but you *could* maintain all of that with text files if you really really wanted to. A half-million $$$ LMS is hard to justify for a couple of hundred students :D
<lurker> agreed Steve
<Graeme> true Steve
<Amy Blankenship> You may also find the May week 1 useful, for integrating AW with ASP
<lurker> we've done a couple LAN training courses and just use text files
<lurker> works fine
<lurker> except damn 32k limit ;)
<Graeme> Cost will be another consideration, especially if we will need share cost on an LMS on site for testing purposes
<Steve Howard> :-) But we can work around that too
<lurker> oh yep, we have to!
<Steve Howard> And the cost is not just the LMS .. you need the server and the database too
<Graeme> Amy, that one sounds excellent, thanks
<lurker> do not many LMS vendors give you a test version free?
<Amy Blankenship> You could use xls files and use sql to query them...no 32K limit
<Art> I would just warn, be aware, once you are tracking the client will want more and more info, ours did.
<Graeme> lurker, I think some do, but there may be a shared cost in some cases, I think?
<Art> It costs less but you spend more time writing .asp and report scripts, or have to use a reporting tool.
<lurker> too true art
<Graeme> Art, they always do, and they always think you'll do it for free
<Steve Howard> I don't ever have the chequeboook so not sure :-D
<lurker> gotta do housestuff. thanks for having me.
<Amy Blankenship> Have a good day
<Steve Howard> No sweat ... bring a beer next time ;-)
<Art> cya lurker
<Graeme> thx lurker
<Trish Smith> client stopped by -- catching up now
<Amy Blankenship> Don't worry...there is a log
<Graeme> thank you all for your help
<Trish Smith> the database/LMS info is helpful! thanks!
<Graeme> Amy where do you access those logs?
<Amy Blankenship> Ho to the "More" page
<Trish Smith> have to go back to work on another project now <sigh>
<Amy Blankenship> I am planning to do a consolidated chat page with that info
<Trish Smith> thanks everyone! have a great weekend. bye
<Art> cya Trish
<Graeme> okay, Amy, great, thank you very much. This chat has been very helpful
<Steve Howard> Turrah Trish
<Amy Blankenship> Jeff McGuire from the MediaShppe is going to be here in a minute if you want to ask him any questions about myCMI
<Graeme> I, too, have to go now, unfortunately.
<Art> I gotta general question about packaging? Can I pick your brains?
<Amy Blankenship> OK, have a good one
<Graeme> Thank you all for the help and I'll be looking for this chat log later.
<Art> cya Graeme
<Amy Blankenship> absolutely, what little is left
<Steve Howard> Pick away
<Art> I just got error today. When I go to pkg one of my courses, AW generates the error: Warning. winapi.ucd could not be found.
<Art> winapi.ucd is in the root folder, the extras folder, the Authorware folder, what am I doing wrong?
<Steve Howard> did you look to see where AW expects to find it?
<Steve Howard> Not looking in same place as AW?
<Steve Howard> Look in the Functions dialogue and see what AW thinks
<Amy Blankenship> Do you even NEED the ucd version? Are you delivering to windows 3.1?
<Steve Howard> Reload your WinAPI functions from the local copy of the file
<Art> Amy, probably not. Steve, I'll try that. It's an old course we are moving to a new server.
<Art> And adding to Visual Source Safe
<Art> I don't even know what function is loaded in it, LOL.
<Amy Blankenship> What version of AW are you using?
<Steve Howard> LOL
<Art> 6.0
[Sat Oct 26 11:50:46 CDT 2002] Jeff McGuire has no profile.
<Art> Hi Jeff
<Amy Blankenship> Hi, Jeff
<Amy Blankenship> we lost a couple of passengers in the last few minutes ;-)
<Steve Howard> Art b.. I see you said the message was u32 earlier, not ucd
<Steve Howard> Hey Jeff
<Amy Blankenship> No, he did not
<Steve Howard> He did in the Newsgroup
<Amy Blankenship> Oh
<Amy Blankenship> did not see that
<Steve Howard> :p
<Steve Howard> I guess he wandered off to look :-)
<Art> sorry, it is .u32. I'll guess I'll have to dive into the code and see what the heck is being used, but I'll try your method first.
<Steve Howard> Art you don't need to dive, the Functions window will tell you everything you need to know
<Steve Howard> So what did we want to know about MyCMI?
<Amy Blankenship> Jeff got locked out
<Art> Doh! It's turning off the X in the title bar. I can reload that.
<Amy Blankenship> what X?
<Amy Blankenship> what it?
<Steve Howard> :-)
<Steve Howard> He is using WinAPI for that
<Art> You know, so the user can't close the course without hitting our exit button.\
<Amy Blankenship> What version of AW do you have?
<Art> 6.0
<Amy Blankenship> If you upgrade to 6.5, you can use the new ExitIcon
<Steve Howard> look out for ExitIcon in 6.5 ;-) :-)
<Steve Howard> So COOOOOL
<Amy Blankenship> But for now, you should probably go to the "Files" tab in OBP and verify that everything is where you think it is
<Steve Howard> even works when someone kills the browser window of a web packaged piece
<Art> I looked at 6.5. Unfortunately I had to budget it for next year, MMs big secrets and all.
<Steve Howard> OOoo ... So you are stuck until next fall?
<Steve Howard> You should sign up to beta test, then you get bigger clues
<Art> No, just January. I'm on to MM and think I've figured a way to get new versions from this point on.
<Amy Blankenship> Like I said, go to the "Files" tab and make sure AW is looking for the u32 where it actually is
<Art> I just budget it under maintenance contracts .
<Steve Howard> That's why I said to check the Functions dialogue
<Amy Blankenship> also, look in your Library tabs, and verify that *they* are looking for it in the right place (If they are looking for it)
<Steve Howard> Yes - I always forget to check what stuff Libraries have loaded
[Sat Oct 26 11:57:25 CDT 2002] Jeff McGuire has no profile.
<Amy Blankenship> Me too...that is a big bother
<Amy Blankenship> Hi, Jeff
<Amy Blankenship> welcome back
<Steve Howard> Hi Jeff!!!
<Jeff McGuire> Hi Steve!!
<Steve Howard> oooo you don't want to go molesting that browser window...
<Amy Blankenship> I think it does that in some versions of Java
<Jeff McGuire> Thanks Amy -- I had to reboot
<Art> brb, gonna try that real quick.
<Jeff McGuire> So whatcha guys chatting 'bout?
<Amy Blankenship> Web delivery
<Art> That worked, better answer my own post on the forum then, giving appropriate credit of course.
<Amy Blankenship> I think someone asked if there is a demo version available of myCMI
<Jeff McGuire> You can try it on the web
<Art> Without sounding stupider than I am, what is myCMI?
<Amy Blankenship> Cool...glad to be of service :-)
<Jeff McGuire> We don't have it compiled into a DLL so if we sent a demo they'd have all of the ASP files
<Amy Blankenship> Jeff: is what you try something that you can test your own courses on to see if they integrate?
<Jeff McGuire> myCMI is a basic LMS
<Art> someone at the door, brb
<Jeff McGuire> Sorry Amy, I don't understand your question.
<Steve Howard> Yeah she has me stumped too
<Amy Blankenship> A lot of LMS's have something that will allow people to find out how hard or easy it is to integrate their courses, such as the one that Carol Fallon has
<Jeff McGuire> Ah, that is a good idea.
<Amy Blankenship> When you say, basic, does that mean that it complies with AICC and/or SCORM, or does that mean it tracks the major information that most clients will be looking for
<Jeff McGuire> That option is available since all that is required to link a course is a URL
<Jeff McGuire> We should make information available on doing that
<Amy Blankenship> Good idea
<Amy Blankenship> We will be having a repeat of the LMS chat soon
<Amy Blankenship> I just asked you to come by, because some questions about LMS's came up
<Amy Blankenship> and yours was mentioned
<Jeff McGuire> It's not compliant. We have been looking into it but haven't had any time to devote to the undertaking
<Jeff McGuire> Do you guys see a market for a Unix/Linux LMS?
<Jeff McGuire> We have PHP version of myCMI
<Steve Howard> I seOne that sits in Unix? Sure
<Amy Blankenship> I think most servers are still Unix
<Steve Howard> Because lots of people have xnix servers
<Jeff McGuire> that we haven't done anything with in a while
<Amy Blankenship> why don't people want to use the U in Unix?
<Amy Blankenship> I get so confused
<Jeff McGuire> We don't have enough resources to work on it so I have considered making it open source
<Steve Howard> Cover Unix and misspelled Linux in one word :p
<Amy Blankenship> Hey, good idea...the Unix tradition
<Jeff McGuire> Yeah, that's another reason :)
<Amy Blankenship> I thought you guys were just worried because Unix sounds so much like Eunuchs
<Jeff McGuire> They don't like to pay for products
<Steve Howard> well
<Art> back, boy talk about two words that sound alike but mean different things
<Jeff McGuire> Maybe Dan
<Steve Howard> now that you mention it :-S
<Amy Blankenship> Oddly, the word does not bother me ;-)
<Jeff McGuire> :)
<Amy Blankenship> OK, I think the web deliver chat has sort of petered out
<Amy Blankenship> anyone else got chores up to the roof?
<Steve Howard> How very odd that you would not be bothered at the thought of a eunuch
<Art> LOL, I should be going. This was great. Talk at ya later.
<Steve Howard> you mean like more work to do?? :-( Maybe
<Amy Blankenship> Have a good one
<Jeff McGuire> I have four kids so not too many things scare me anymore :)
<Art> cya
<Amy Blankenship> Thanks for stopping in, Jeff :-)
<Amy Blankenship> How is the baby, Jeff?
<Steve Howard> LOL
<Steve Howard> Jeff I'd still be worried
<Jeff McGuire> Sure. I will try to get on sooner next time
<Steve Howard> Tem's precious appendages
<Jeff McGuire> :)
<Steve Howard> How is Donna?? Managing to fob off any work onto you yet?
<Amy Blankenship> Tell, you what...I'll make you an invited guest next time...that way you HAVE to show up on time ;-)
<Amy Blankenship> <picturing Jeff breastfeeding>
<Jeff McGuire> Sounds good, Amy.
<Steve Howard> LOL :D
<Jeff McGuire> Donna is good
<Amy Blankenship> Glad to hear it. Let me know when you post more pics
<Jeff McGuire> Yep doin' the diapers and all that.
<Amy Blankenship> Gotta go, all